Having just released her exquisite debut album, You Are The Morning, Manchester-based trans artist jasmine.4.t not only featured as one of our own ‘Ones To Watch’ for 2025, but has been receiving tonnes of acclaim over the last few months from publications such as Pitchfork and The Line Of Best Fit, with her latest single ‘Guy Fawkes Tesco Dissociation’ being featured on BBC 6Music’s A List. With the album released via Phoebe Bridgers’ record label, Saddest Factory, it reflects on both the camaraderie and isolation that can be a part of transfeminine life with a stirring glistening emotion. A heartfelt ode to queer friendship, it sparkles with a truly captivating majesty throughout. Whilst it may still only be January, it’s already a definite contender for album of the year.
After catching Jasmine and her band’s stunningly moving performance at The Old Blue Last a couple of weeks back, we were able to have a chat with her about the album, her inspirations and the challenges facing trans artists in the industry, and society in general. Have a read, make sure you check out the album now, and also please consider donating to the Solidarity Fund she mentions at the end of the interview.
Hi Jasmine! Welcome to Get In Her Ears! How are you doing today?
Hi! Thank you! I am very sleepy after getting up at 3:45am to fly to the Netherlands for some shows, but super excited about all that’s going on with my album coming out and the reception it’s receiving. I’m currently on my way to Groningen with my bandmates Eden and Emily, and we are all buzzing.
Are you able to tell us a bit about what initially inspired you to start creating music?
My uncle left me his guitar when he sadly died by suicide when I was in year two. My dad got me some chord books and I loved learning Jimi Hendrix as a kid. I heard Elliott Smith’s From A Basement On A Hill when I was a teenager, and I deep-dived into his catalogue – my dad borrowed all his CDs from the library and copied them for me. I did the same thing with Iron & Wine. I always wrote alongside learning other people’s songs, and I played in various grunge and punk bands.
I love the glistening energy and raw emotion of your songs, but who would you consider to be your main musical influences?
Elliott Smith and Iron & Wine as I’ve mentioned are big influences, but I think my main influence is Adrianne Lenker. I love her writing, her voice and, in particular, her guitar playing. I am listening to her Instrumentals album right now, it’s my favourite!
You’ve just released your debut album You Are The Morning, which is super exciting! The album reflects on feelings of queer belonging, love and connection, particularly within the trans community – are you able to tell us a bit more about the themes that run through it and the experiences that inspired it?
You Are The Morning is a message of queer hope and solidarity. The songs were written shortly after I came out to those around me, which didn’t go so well. My marriage ended, I tried to move back in with my parents, and when that failed I was homeless for a period. I left Bristol to stay with friends in Manchester where I found community. I fell in love with trans people and met my chosen family, who gave me the strength I needed to start my transition. You Are The Morning is about queer people’s capacity for solidarity but also for change, how we change ourselves and the world around us to bring a brighter future.
The album’s being released on Phoebe Bridgers’ record label Saddest Factory Records, which is awesome! How did this come about, and what does it mean to you to have been able to work with someone like Bridgers?
I opened for Lucy Dacus in Bristol on her first Europe tour, and we got on really well. She invited me to be tour support for her second album (Historian) tour in Europe – around when my debut EP came out – and we became close and stayed in touch, sharing demos through lockdown. When I got the demos together for the record, I was considering self-releasing, but Joe Sherrin (MOULD/SLONK/Fenne Lily) suggested I submit them to Phoebe Bridgers for Saddest Factory consideration. I didn’t hear back immediately, so I asked Lucy to play the songs to Phoebe if the moment presented itself. I heard back a few months later from Lucy that she had played the songs to Phoebe in the car, and Phoebe was on the phone to her manager discussing signing me! I couldn’t believe it. I opened for boygenius when they came to the UK, and the next day I signed with Saddest Factory. All three members of the band – Lucy, Phoebe and Julien – produced the record. It was a dream come true for me, I’m such a huge fan of theirs, as a band and as solo artists. I feel so lucky.
And, to record the album, you travelled over to the US to record at the legendary Sound City Studios! How was this experience for you?
Yeah, it was unreal! We had such a good time. I made this band of entirely trans women in Manchester and the label flew me and two of my bandmates – Eden O’Brien and Phoenix Rousiamanis – out to LA. We recorded over two very intensive weeks in that iconic studio. It was such a healing experience, it felt like the hope I wrote into the album the year before was not in vain, because this was on its way.
I was lucky enough to catch you and your wonderful band live last week at The Old Blue Last – such a beautifully immersive and moving set, thank you. How do you generally prepare for live shows, and what do you enjoy most about them?
Thank you! It was such a nice crowd and my first time playing at that venue. I had such a good time. Travelling as a band of trans women can be stressful at best and dangerous at worst – so before shows we try to relax and hang out together to get in the mindset to perform. The girls are all unbelievably funny, and we don’t take it too seriously. But we know, should anything happen, we have each others backs. Usually, my chosen daughter Yulia Trot comes on the road with us, and her main job is to keep us all safe. Horrifyingly, she has been wrongly imprisoned for her alleged part in dismantling an Israeli weapons factory, on remand until her trial in a year. It is scary going into this year of intense touring without her, but me and the girls are a family and we take care of each other. Hanging with the girls is definitely the best part of playing live.
Has there been a particular gig you’ve played over the years that stands out as a highlight?
I think my favourite ever show was when we played in the basement of a community favourite pub in Manchester, The Peer Hat. It was for a night that me and some friends organised for the Just Do The Thing transfem meet-up. It was so awesome to play a night of all transfem artists for a majority transfem audience in a packed sweaty basement.
And, when you’re out on tour, or playing shows, are there any particular essentials that you like to take with you to keep you going?
I always wear my bracelets from my long-distance partners to remind me of their love and support. I always wear at least one Adrianne Lenker hoodie (I’m wearing two right now). I usually take some time before shows to relax and listen to some Adrianne Lenker also.
As we’re an organisation with a focus on supporting new and marginalised artists, I just wondered how you feel the industry is for them at the moment? And do you feel much has changed over the years in its treatment of female and queer artists?
It’s a pretty shit time to be a trans woman in this country. It’s very unsafe; we are constant targets of violence and harassment, besides the common experiences of homelessness and mental health issues caused by continued interaction with systemic transphobia. We have seen the rise of TERFism, a transphobic brand of fascism perpetuated by figures – including JK Rowling – which has led to a huge backslide in trans access to healthcare. This has been compounded by scare tactics in papers – including The Guardian – when reporting about trans healthcare. Recently, Wes Streeting banned the use of life-saving puberty blockers for trans children, when suicide rates for this demographic are extremely high and rising, while our community mourns the highest recorded rate of violent deaths of trans people. This is the backdrop against which we are trying to make our way as artists. I have been lucky enough to have an incredible manager, Jen Long, who has helped keep me safe and I’m surrounded by people I trust. I have a mostly female and largely queer team. But this industry is very male-dominated at all levels, and from my experience pre-signing, trying to navigate it alone, we trans women encounter friction at every turn. Compounded by the everyday shit that trans women have to deal with, it’s no wonder we are so underrepresented in this industry and in society at large. This has intersections with disability rights and racial injustice – those of us who do break through are almost always white and abled. I am disabled (by society’s failure to meet my ME and POTS related needs), though I pass as abled and I think without Phoebe’s seal of approval and without my white and abled-passing privilege, I would still be struggling to get shows. I think a lot of these issues go beyond the struggle for trans women’s equality in the music industry, but it is just societal ills at work and it affects all of us. I think things are definitely improving at a grassroots level, and I definitely feel cared for by the venues I play, but there’s only so much that small venues, indie labels and promoters can do.
And are there any other new artists that you’d recommend we check out at the moment?
My favourite band from Manchester is Ether Mech. They’re fronted by my friend Vivian, a trans woman I look up to and one of the first people I met when I moved to Manchester. I also love Mould, their new stuff is incredible and they’re so good live. I really enjoyed The Pill and Fuzz Lightyear’s sets at the Old Blue Last show also!
Is there anything else you’d like to add about upcoming plans or particular thoughts you’d like to mention?
I’m really looking forward to touring this year but I am feeling worried about doing it without my daughter Yulia. If anyone is able to, please donate to her Solidarity Fund to help us support her in prison, visit her, and help her get back on her feet when she is out. You can donate here.
Huge thanks to Jasmine for answering our questions, and please do consider donating to help Yulia.
You Are The Morning, the debut album from Jasmine.4.t is out now via Saddest Factory Records. Listen / buy now.